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that's the real lindsey graham/rand paul divide. and that's why in some ways democrats can't say this but they're actually quietly ok with the sequester. what it does is it cuts defense in a way -- the political process would not be able to do. obviously obama has always wanted this grand bargain. the politics is not been able to work for it. but he's also said -- chris: isn't this the bargain? isn't this second best solution by both sigh, this sequester? >> yes. chris: is this the solution? >> if the depresses demand too much -- chris: it's not doing that apparently. >> if it doesn't, i'm all for it. >> there's a possibility to adjust among different budget counts talking to people who run our military services, talking to people in the intelligence community, they do have real problems and they're not going to be able to watch a spy satellite. they're having trouble juggling ship positions. chris: my question goes back to you, is there incentive enough for both parties to give, real gliv until it hurts? the fact the republicans ha
that's the real lindsey graham/rand paul divide. and that's why in some ways democrats can't say this but they're actually quietly ok with the sequester. what it does is it cuts defense in a way -- the political process would not be able to do. obviously obama has always wanted this grand bargain. the politics is not been able to work for it. but he's also said -- chris: isn't this the bargain? isn't this second best solution by both sigh, this sequester? >> yes. chris: is this the...
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kelly ayotte and lindsey graham. what the white house is hoping to do is try to generate momentum or at least a conversation among some of the rank and file republicans. the reality is at a certain point he needs the republican leadership. he can't completely avoid having conversations with them. >> chris: whatever the president's motivation, the real question is, is there any basis for a deal here? is there a bridge that can be crossed on this? i was struck listening to paul ryan. he has obama care being repealed. he still wants the medicare structural reform. the premium supports. as he called it. others call it vouchers. i know the white house they at the talk about tax reform as opposed to ryan talk about keeping the rates up. not low aring rates just doing away with the loopholes so it is another tax increase. is there a deal there? >> i think it as cass many and the president picked lindsey graham to be the one to put the dinner together for a reason. he said he is open to new revenues which, of course, conserv
kelly ayotte and lindsey graham. what the white house is hoping to do is try to generate momentum or at least a conversation among some of the rank and file republicans. the reality is at a certain point he needs the republican leadership. he can't completely avoid having conversations with them. >> chris: whatever the president's motivation, the real question is, is there any basis for a deal here? is there a bridge that can be crossed on this? i was struck listening to paul ryan. he has...
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but then, fellow republicans like john mccain and lindsey graham criticized him. here's mccain. >> i don't think that what happened yesterday is helpful to the american people. but somehow, to allege that the united states of america, our government would drop a drone hellfire missile on jane fonda, that is -- that brings the conversation from a serious discussion about u.s. policy to the realm of the ridiculous. >> my first thought was who are you and what have you done to john mccain? i assume that you are fine with republican senators targeting each other. but some liberals also agree with rand paul. is he exposing a guidivide on t left about this president's anti-terrorist strategy? >> well, first of all, i just think maybe we're going to be having normal politics in america again. what's happened the past four years has been quite shameful. you had the republicans said look, our number one priority is to get rid of this president, so every liberal and progressive said well, our number one priority is to keep him in there. so then it was just straight shirts a
but then, fellow republicans like john mccain and lindsey graham criticized him. here's mccain. >> i don't think that what happened yesterday is helpful to the american people. but somehow, to allege that the united states of america, our government would drop a drone hellfire missile on jane fonda, that is -- that brings the conversation from a serious discussion about u.s. policy to the realm of the ridiculous. >> my first thought was who are you and what have you done to john...
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surprised to hear lindsey graham say that. we'll talk about rand paul but he's a thorn in the side about rand paul and the president -- this is what happened, the president saw tom brokaw, bill keller of the washington times and washington post and these liberal institutions and people, a little to the left saying, it looks like a campaign. >> chris: even the peanut gallery. >> this is a campaign here, you just got elected, a second term now and it is time to get something done and when people on the left, slightly on the left are saying that, the president said, actually, i have to make it looks like, charm offensive, whatever you want to call it. breaking bread but the fact he has to go around leadership, even the second term, why do you have to go around leadership? it is what it is. that is the world as it exists and i know he says he doesn't want to be dictator. he's not and can't wave a wand and get everything done, and the fact is you have to deal with the players on the chess board. boehner and mcconnell aed the leader
surprised to hear lindsey graham say that. we'll talk about rand paul but he's a thorn in the side about rand paul and the president -- this is what happened, the president saw tom brokaw, bill keller of the washington times and washington post and these liberal institutions and people, a little to the left saying, it looks like a campaign. >> chris: even the peanut gallery. >> this is a campaign here, you just got elected, a second term now and it is time to get something done and...
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graham and john mccain. i want to show a little bit of that. one exchange they had where rand paul was talking about the possibility that a president might have, for instance, taken out jane fonda. >> no one will ever forget jane fonda swiveling around in north vietnamese armored guns and it was despicable. that's one thing if you want to try her for treason but are you going to just drop a drone hellfire missile on jane fonda. >> to somehow allege or infer that the president of the united states is going to kill somebody like jane fonda or someone who disagrees with the policies is a stretch of imagination, which is, frankly, ridiculous. >> senator johnson, we also saw senator graham go so far as to say he didn't remember a lot of colleagues raise the questions about the drone policy under president bush. >> i don't think i want to get in the middle of that. george is right. an argument about due process, presidential power. >> you did join the filibuster. >> sure, because i think senator paul had the right
graham and john mccain. i want to show a little bit of that. one exchange they had where rand paul was talking about the possibility that a president might have, for instance, taken out jane fonda. >> no one will ever forget jane fonda swiveling around in north vietnamese armored guns and it was despicable. that's one thing if you want to try her for treason but are you going to just drop a drone hellfire missile on jane fonda. >> to somehow allege or infer that the president of the...
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he's joined by senator lindsey graham. i think in many ways perhaps the most vocal voice on the hill is that of senator mccain. host: let's hear from general james madison head of u.s. central command he was on capitol hill this week this past tuesday and was asked if he thinks the u.s. should provide lethal assistance. >> chairman, the situation is so complex that i have to get some degree of confidence that the weapons that we would be arming them with are not going to people who are our enemies. and that would be the one caveat that i would put on any military advice to go forward along those lines. we don't want to inadvertently with the best of intentions arm people who are basically sworn enemies. >> you say you would have to get some degree of confidence in order to make that recommendation. as of this time do you have that level of confidence yet? >> i do not, chairman. but i have not been tasked at this mission so i've not looked deeply into this yet, either. host: with this comes a tweet for our guest. what is th
he's joined by senator lindsey graham. i think in many ways perhaps the most vocal voice on the hill is that of senator mccain. host: let's hear from general james madison head of u.s. central command he was on capitol hill this week this past tuesday and was asked if he thinks the u.s. should provide lethal assistance. >> chairman, the situation is so complex that i have to get some degree of confidence that the weapons that we would be arming them with are not going to people who are...
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john's day has come and gone, lindsey graham has got to fight to get reelected. lou: do you think he'll get reelected? >> i think he's got a tough primary. at the end of the day, it's not a bad thing to have change, but i think these yog people, basically, are going to become significant leaders of the new tea party, whatever it may be, but it's going to be a very significant party, and we need, basically, energy in our party, and they will create energy. lou: a south dakota law, matt, i want to bring this up with you, a south dakota law will allow teachers to have guns in classrooms, specifically allowing teachers to carry firearms. other states have provisions, you know, that they can be armed. what's your reaction? >> well, i think it's great. i hope texas does the same thing. i think they're absolutely doing the right thing. they will give
john's day has come and gone, lindsey graham has got to fight to get reelected. lou: do you think he'll get reelected? >> i think he's got a tough primary. at the end of the day, it's not a bad thing to have change, but i think these yog people, basically, are going to become significant leaders of the new tea party, whatever it may be, but it's going to be a very significant party, and we need, basically, energy in our party, and they will create energy. lou: a south dakota law, matt, i...
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over 1% of the people there have been successfully convicted. >> listen to senator lindsey graham. he himself is an attorney. he is very much opposed to the decision to send him to new york. he thought this was an enemy combatant who by longed in guantanamo bay before a military tribunal. >> to the administration, why did you not send this person to guantanamo bay to be held as an enemy combatant for intelligence-gathering purposes. i have been firm against torture, but i do believe that guantanamo bay is a secure military facility that provides this country a great asset. and we have received a lot of information from guantanamo bay detainees. >> you remember, when there was the trial eventually reversed. what do you think about the pros and cons, legally speaking, either sending him to guantanamo bay or new york? >> well, it is true there is a major difference between the two in terms of interrogation. in a criminal court where he is now, he will receive a lawyer who will surely say stop talking to prosecutors, don't say anything. in guantanamo, there will be more flexibility to
over 1% of the people there have been successfully convicted. >> listen to senator lindsey graham. he himself is an attorney. he is very much opposed to the decision to send him to new york. he thought this was an enemy combatant who by longed in guantanamo bay before a military tribunal. >> to the administration, why did you not send this person to guantanamo bay to be held as an enemy combatant for intelligence-gathering purposes. i have been firm against torture, but i do believe...
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in 2014, will this be the undoing of linds lindsey graham splil career? maybe not. shifted the terms of debate within the republican party and you've seen a lot of main stream republicans, including marco rubio, mitch mcconnell join with rand paul and that was an important moment and we'll see how that plays out in the coming years. >>> we'll take a quick break and pay some bills. back in a moment with a look at 42 at doma and what that mix might mean for marriage equality. this is msnbc, the place for politics. max and penny kept our bookstore exciting and would always come to my rescue. but as time passed, i started to notice max just wasn't himself. and i knew he'd feel better if he lost a little weight. so i switched to purina cat chow healthy weight formula. i just fed the recommended amount... and they both loved the taste. after a few months max's "special powers" returned... and i got my hero back. purina cat chow healthy weight. for the things you can't wash, freshen them with febreze. ♪ because febreze doesn't just cover up odors... it penetrates deep in
in 2014, will this be the undoing of linds lindsey graham splil career? maybe not. shifted the terms of debate within the republican party and you've seen a lot of main stream republicans, including marco rubio, mitch mcconnell join with rand paul and that was an important moment and we'll see how that plays out in the coming years. >>> we'll take a quick break and pay some bills. back in a moment with a look at 42 at doma and what that mix might mean for marriage equality. this is...
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on the budget deficit, there's a group of republicans, bob corker of tennessee, lindsey graham of south carolina who want to reap some big bipartisan reduction deal that has tax increases and also spending cuts in it. and the president is trying to engage that group. try to work around. he knows mitchell mcconnell probably doesn't want to help him because of the primary. but the goal of the president is to work with republicans, about 12 republicans. if they can get something drawn together, they can reach a deal, he's hoping house republicans will allow it to come to the floor and be voted on. i think that could be a good, smart strategy. the president has tried a lot. he's watched super bowl with the republicans, had them over to his house, watched movies with them, played basketball with them. and none of that has worked on a lot of issues. i'm not sure -- >> i love the way you say he's had them over to his house, it's the white house. that struck me as, yeah, okay. anyway, thank you guys. >> thank you. >> good to see you. >>> now to number five on our first five web stories, the bie
on the budget deficit, there's a group of republicans, bob corker of tennessee, lindsey graham of south carolina who want to reap some big bipartisan reduction deal that has tax increases and also spending cuts in it. and the president is trying to engage that group. try to work around. he knows mitchell mcconnell probably doesn't want to help him because of the primary. but the goal of the president is to work with republicans, about 12 republicans. if they can get something drawn together,...
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john mccain, lindsey graham and suzanne collins. you only get to filibuster in extraordinary circumstances. and the three remaining parties to that deal in the senate this week, all voted to filibuster. caitlin halligan, saying extraordinary circumstances. >> do not get me started. because this deal that was entered into by republicans and democrats enabled republican nominees to be sent to the d.c. circuit. and we now have the situation where we've got the d.c. circuit in the hands of republican-pointed judges. this is important because we see -- >> after five years of a democratic -- >> yeah. >> we see invalidated air pollution rules. invalidated warning labels on cigarette packages, invalidated s.e.c. labels. republicans know that their judges on the d.c. circuit are going to do their bidding. it's plain and simple. and therefore, they are going to block any candidate to the d.c. circuit. it's a matter of maintaining -- >> so why are they winning? why do they win? why do they get more? >> because democrats are undisciplined. seri
john mccain, lindsey graham and suzanne collins. you only get to filibuster in extraordinary circumstances. and the three remaining parties to that deal in the senate this week, all voted to filibuster. caitlin halligan, saying extraordinary circumstances. >> do not get me started. because this deal that was entered into by republicans and democrats enabled republican nominees to be sent to the d.c. circuit. and we now have the situation where we've got the d.c. circuit in the hands of...
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john cornyn, kelly ayote, mitch mcconnell, lindsey graham, john mccain. they all came out and said it was an outrage, they say the right decision of course would be to ship the guy to guantanamo. they say that it so much better. they say now he is in federal custody, of course he will not talk. he will clam up. the obama administration blew it. i should also mention now that along with charging the federal suspect in court today, the prosecutors also submitted as evidence 22 pages of statements that osama bin laden's son-in-law has made to federal law enforcement officials since he was arrested. but still, everybody freak out. double guantanamo. maybe that will help you get re-elected if you ever have to go back in a time machine to run for office again in 2004. with the spark miles card from capital one, bjorn earns unlimited rewards for his small business. take these bags to room 12 please. [ garth ] bjorn's small business earns double miles on every purchase every day. produce delivery. [ bjorn ] just put it on my spark card. [ garth ] why settle for l
john cornyn, kelly ayote, mitch mcconnell, lindsey graham, john mccain. they all came out and said it was an outrage, they say the right decision of course would be to ship the guy to guantanamo. they say that it so much better. they say now he is in federal custody, of course he will not talk. he will clam up. the obama administration blew it. i should also mention now that along with charging the federal suspect in court today, the prosecutors also submitted as evidence 22 pages of statements...
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graham. we have former president george to be bush advisor. this is heavy-duty he takes a much criticism. >> is mr. poole was to be taken seriously, he needs to do more than full political stunts to fire up pressure of libertarian kids of the college dorm. gerri: come on. this is a surprising ran paul would object to the use of drums by the government. is this a serious political statement or stunt? >> i think he's a comparable we're so used to politicians and not for the state's people to stand up and now is there to mavericks' in washington? [laughter] gerri: there is a conflagration between the rotarians and old-fashioned republicans, a country club republicans loggerhead can they come together? >> we need to to win but senator paul also has yet to crisis. republican not there is no two-party committed don't run as individuals, a new centralized leadership, so they played the card of republican. gerri: comeeon. here is what john mccain said to the huffington post. he called them what go bi
graham. we have former president george to be bush advisor. this is heavy-duty he takes a much criticism. >> is mr. poole was to be taken seriously, he needs to do more than full political stunts to fire up pressure of libertarian kids of the college dorm. gerri: come on. this is a surprising ran paul would object to the use of drums by the government. is this a serious political statement or stunt? >> i think he's a comparable we're so used to politicians and not for the state's...
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senators lindsey graham and john mccain launched their own drone strike against paul. >> we have done, i think, a disservice to a lot of americans by making them believe that somehow they are in danger from their government. they are not. i don't think what happened yesterday is helpful to the american people. what we saw yesterday is going to give ammunition to those critics who say that the rules of the senate are being abused. i hope that my colleagues on this side of the aisle will take that into consideration. >> to take this debate into the absurd is what i object to. >> laura: now, don't get me wrong. they have the right to disagree with paul and the majority of g.o.p. senators who stood with him. but, given that the filibuster lasted 13 hours, why didn't either of them have the moxxy to debate their colleague face to face on the senate floor? what were they afraid of? presumably they could have done so either before or after their dinner with the president. were they jealous that a junior senator dominated the headlines and managed to galvanize left and right? are they worried
senators lindsey graham and john mccain launched their own drone strike against paul. >> we have done, i think, a disservice to a lot of americans by making them believe that somehow they are in danger from their government. they are not. i don't think what happened yesterday is helpful to the american people. what we saw yesterday is going to give ammunition to those critics who say that the rules of the senate are being abused. i hope that my colleagues on this side of the aisle will...
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and then 24 hours later he got hammered by john mccain, lindsey graham. so what do you make of the divisions there? >> well, it's very interesting. first of all i would say it's not particularly senatorial to call your colleague a wacko bird. that is an interesting way to get a lock with everybody, that is what senator mccain had to say about senator paul. look there are a bunch of divisions be within the republican party, social con serving difficult, fiscal conservatives, isolationist, neokonst, democracy promoters and this is another one between the libertarians an those who believe in strong, executive authority. and particularly during the war on terror. we -- hear a lot from that group during the bush-- mrtion. now you have a democratic president, that may have enhanlsed it a little bit. i thought that senator paul did a good service in the sense that he brought attention to this throne issue which has been underattend toad in terms of what are we doing. where are we doing it, what is the legal basis for it. who exactly is doing it. those rawl legit
and then 24 hours later he got hammered by john mccain, lindsey graham. so what do you make of the divisions there? >> well, it's very interesting. first of all i would say it's not particularly senatorial to call your colleague a wacko bird. that is an interesting way to get a lock with everybody, that is what senator mccain had to say about senator paul. look there are a bunch of divisions be within the republican party, social con serving difficult, fiscal conservatives, isolationist,...
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>> reporter: kelly ayotte with fellow republican senators lindsey graham condemned the statement that said the decision clearly contravenes the will of the american people land not go unchallenged. a family member of a 9/11 victim also weighed in. >> my concern is that a guy likes this comes to a civilian court. he is put away. hopefully he would be convicted. but it wouldn't, it's not, it's conspiracy. it's not murder. >> the white house today defended the record of terrorist conviction in federal court. pointing to the times square bomber and the underwear bomber, now both serving life sentencing. >> there is broad consensus across the united states government. at the department of defense. the department of justice. department of homeland security. intelligence community agrees that the best way to protect our national security interest is to prosecute abu ghaith in the court. >> reporter: an officer doubt that it meets the requirement of military tribunal. >> sorry, he can't be charged with material support for terrorism, which can carry a life sentence, because that disallowed as
>> reporter: kelly ayotte with fellow republican senators lindsey graham condemned the statement that said the decision clearly contravenes the will of the american people land not go unchallenged. a family member of a 9/11 victim also weighed in. >> my concern is that a guy likes this comes to a civilian court. he is put away. hopefully he would be convicted. but it wouldn't, it's not, it's conspiracy. it's not murder. >> the white house today defended the record of terrorist...
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on thursday mccain and lindsey graham, as you know, skewered mr. paul, particularly his filibuster. so who wins this rare old tussle? is it the old guard or the new guard? >> it is an interesting establishment gop versus this tea party gop -- >> who wins? >> you know, i think rand paul within the conservative bubble comes out looking better. now, obviously to you and me we listen to it and graham and mccain are making more sense. rand paul is fighting a good fight against a problem that does not exist, a wild hypothetical that has not happened, perhaps never will happen. part of the gop's program of like real solutions for fake problems. americans in restaurants can rest assured that they will not be droned. >> i hope jane fonda knows that. >> especially if they're not combatants against america. so they can be comfortable tonight and into the future. but like rand paul 2016 is actually looking better. is he going to win the nomination? probably not. is he going to be president? certainly not. but he can be a player in 2016 and doing that thing we've seen in the primaries where you
on thursday mccain and lindsey graham, as you know, skewered mr. paul, particularly his filibuster. so who wins this rare old tussle? is it the old guard or the new guard? >> it is an interesting establishment gop versus this tea party gop -- >> who wins? >> you know, i think rand paul within the conservative bubble comes out looking better. now, obviously to you and me we listen to it and graham and mccain are making more sense. rand paul is fighting a good fight against a...
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. >> for the lindsey grahams of the world who say gitmo all the time. that's fine. but those who say military commissions, military commissions, sorry, but he can't be charged with material support for terrorism, which can carry a life sentence, because that is disallowed at a legal matter in military commission. but keep in mind the administration backed down from trying kalib shake mohammad in manhattan after police said security would cost $200 million per year. this trial is expect it to take three weeks. >> shepard: thanks very much. juror john mccain is with us now, member of the snarl averaged services committee, the senate committee on homeland security, back home in arizona. senator, thank you. >> thank you. >> how do you feel about this trial in lower manhattan? >> well, of course i'd be very interested in these days of sequestration how much the security costs will be. but importantly in the short term, if this individual got his miranda rights, which i'm confident he did, because any good lawyer is going to tell his or her client to do that -- then we ar
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meanwhile, lindsey graham, intra-party scold got a _#of his own. primary graham. if there was any question about just how tense it might be in the upper chamber, the "new york times" ran this photo showing paul and mccain sharing an elevator ride after the elder senator accused the kentucky sion of disservice. hash tag, awkward. stephanie, we have talked ad nauz yum at this point about the lower chamber and the raucus caucus and how difficult a job speaker john boehner has in his words getting the frogs in the wheelbarrow. but this week i think exposed some serious changes, if not a rift within the elder wing -- the elder sort of establishment wing of the republican party in the upper chamber. not just on sequester but with the rand paul talky filibuster. >> i was pleased see that picture because normally there's a democrat standing there getting a scowl. >> i've been on elevators like that myself. you know, i think that, you know, i appreciate what senator mccain and senator graham were trying to say. under no circumstances are americans at home in danger of gett
meanwhile, lindsey graham, intra-party scold got a _#of his own. primary graham. if there was any question about just how tense it might be in the upper chamber, the "new york times" ran this photo showing paul and mccain sharing an elevator ride after the elder senator accused the kentucky sion of disservice. hash tag, awkward. stephanie, we have talked ad nauz yum at this point about the lower chamber and the raucus caucus and how difficult a job speaker john boehner has in his...
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. >> senators john mccain and lindsey graham's scathing response to paul's nearly 13-hour -- >> i thought it was rather insulting for the way that these gentlemen responded to this. >> your words, senator, john mccain and senator lindsey graham fighting vehemently to defend president obama's policy. it was a little disorienting. >> joining me right now is senator bernie sanders of vermont, a member of the senate budget committee. sir, good to have you here. we start with what politico is putting out as the headline. grand bargain back with a question mark. we look at what paul ryan said after lunch with the president, where i think hope is being borne from. everyone needs to be part of this conversation. we need an open debate about how best to balance the budget and expand opportunities. so, sir, outside of the lines of the continuing resolution coming out of the house side. what you month would you guesstimate that we mae get the grand bargain? >> the issue is not the grand bargain. the issue is what's in the grand bargain. when you have growing inequality, 100% of all new income genera
. >> senators john mccain and lindsey graham's scathing response to paul's nearly 13-hour -- >> i thought it was rather insulting for the way that these gentlemen responded to this. >> your words, senator, john mccain and senator lindsey graham fighting vehemently to defend president obama's policy. it was a little disorienting. >> joining me right now is senator bernie sanders of vermont, a member of the senate budget committee. sir, good to have you here. we start with...
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senators lindsey graham and john mccain slammed rand paul, calling it an ill-informed stand. >> calm down, senator. mr. holder is right. even if he doesn't explain the law very well, the u.s. government cannot randomly target american citizens on u.s. soil or anywhere else. >> let's bring in our friday gaggle, former republican governor from maryland, and from the deputy editor and contributing writer for roll call, nathan gonzalez. governor, you want to go to you off the back, because this was fascinating with rand paul. >> one-day story. >> a fascinating divide, who would have thought that mitch mcconnell would run to the senate floor to bask in the flow of rand paul, and then lindsey graham and john mccain say sit down. what does this mean for 2016. could this libertarian wing -- >> i love the libertarian wing having a role in the party. i think it's very healthy. there may be something personal here. we don't know. this was a little strong by senator mccain. i don't know as far as any personal animosity. but at this point in the cycle, it's no big deal. it's a one-day story. but
senators lindsey graham and john mccain slammed rand paul, calling it an ill-informed stand. >> calm down, senator. mr. holder is right. even if he doesn't explain the law very well, the u.s. government cannot randomly target american citizens on u.s. soil or anywhere else. >> let's bring in our friday gaggle, former republican governor from maryland, and from the deputy editor and contributing writer for roll call, nathan gonzalez. governor, you want to go to you off the back,...
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. >> yessssssssjohn mccain and his southern bell lindsey graham. i don't remember any of you suggesting that president bush was going to kill anybody with a drone. thank you, lindsay! and have an extra mint julep on me. he said i must say the use of jane fonda's name does bring up certain memories but she acted within her constitutional rights, and to say this is simply false. thank you grampy. thank you grampy. ♪ let's hear it for the boys ♪ ♪ let's give the boy a hand ♪ >> stephanie: fight. fight! and the wall street journal [♪ "world news tonight" theme ♪] >> stephanie: calm down senator. >> i loved that. it was so condescending. >> stephanie: the editorial board was not among those lauding the senator, asking him to calm down. >> they are not one of his fans. >> stephanie: stop it. they brought in ann romney to tell him to stop it. >> ann romney: stop it. this is hard. you want to try it, get in the ring. >> stephanie: you want to try it without a catheter you try it. >> i am not one of your fans! >> stephanie: noting paul's theatri
. >> yessssssssjohn mccain and his southern bell lindsey graham. i don't remember any of you suggesting that president bush was going to kill anybody with a drone. thank you, lindsay! and have an extra mint julep on me. he said i must say the use of jane fonda's name does bring up certain memories but she acted within her constitutional rights, and to say this is simply false. thank you grampy. thank you grampy. ♪ let's hear it for the boys ♪ ♪ let's give the boy a hand ♪ >>...
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lindsey graham late yesterday on this move. >> we're putting the administration on notice. we think that sneaking this guy into the country clearly going around the intent of congress when it comes to enemy combatants will be challenged. bill: erick erickson, editor-in-chief redstate.com and fox news contributor here in new york. good morning to you. you busted out of georgia. >> good morning. bill: welcome back to new york here. this is usama bin laden's son-in-law. he is in custody in new york city. he will face a judge through some legal proceeding today. why not send him to gitmo? >> they should but this administration doesn't have a good policy on containment in gitmo. they want to shut it down. they know they can't. they can't blow them all up with drones so this will be a trial. what they tried to do with khalid sheikh mohammed, there was national outcry over that so they sneaked him into new york. it pains me to say nice things about lindsey graham after the tirade about rand paul yesterday but he is right. democrats and republicans are opposed to this. bill: this i
lindsey graham late yesterday on this move. >> we're putting the administration on notice. we think that sneaking this guy into the country clearly going around the intent of congress when it comes to enemy combatants will be challenged. bill: erick erickson, editor-in-chief redstate.com and fox news contributor here in new york. good morning to you. you busted out of georgia. >> good morning. bill: welcome back to new york here. this is usama bin laden's son-in-law. he is in...
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i believe lindsey graham put together the dinner list. i think it was very smartly done because you had both conservative and moderate republicans in that room. which would breed some trust on the outside, that everybody was represented. i think that what the president is trying to do, the common-sense caucus that, you know, talking points coming out of the white house on this, there's no other option. the leadership doesn't have control of their caucuses. it's been proven time and time and time again. the president knows that. those folks in the white house know that. john boehner can't get a deal done because he doesn't have the support of his caucus. so let's go to the members of that caucus who could potentially put a deal together. there's no other option. this is the way it has to be done. and i think it's very smart what he's doing. >> michael steele, do you have an incisive analytical comment to make disguised as a question? >> no. look, i picked myself up off the floor after reading gene's piece this morning. you know, gene, brot
i believe lindsey graham put together the dinner list. i think it was very smartly done because you had both conservative and moderate republicans in that room. which would breed some trust on the outside, that everybody was represented. i think that what the president is trying to do, the common-sense caucus that, you know, talking points coming out of the white house on this, there's no other option. the leadership doesn't have control of their caucuses. it's been proven time and time and...
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graham because john mccain is upset then lindsey is upset too. oh, yeah and the go ahead that john mccain -- in fact -- went on actually to call at it disservice to raise this issue. >> so we have done i think a disservice to a lot of americans by make them believe that somehow they are in danger from their government. they are not. >> by the way, what have republicans done for the past five or six years? making their terrified that the government is going to take your guns. everyone wants to take over your lives. >> bill: yeah, that's all they do is the scare tactic and rand paul was responding to later from the attorney general of the united states who said we have the legal authority to kill americans on american soil with a drone. jesus, that's worth raising the question about it. and it was john mccain and lindsey graham, what service do they provide by raising the big issue of benghazi and accusing president obama for being responsible for the death of ambassador stephens when the congress had cut the funding. so they made a huge phony deal
graham because john mccain is upset then lindsey is upset too. oh, yeah and the go ahead that john mccain -- in fact -- went on actually to call at it disservice to raise this issue. >> so we have done i think a disservice to a lot of americans by make them believe that somehow they are in danger from their government. they are not. >> by the way, what have republicans done for the past five or six years? making their terrified that the government is going to take your guns....
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. >> and i'd like to ask senator lindsey graham about this killing americans sitting at a cafÉ, which he seems to condone. senator lindsey graham was one of the torture memo proponents now is a proponent for the assassins known for killing now american citizens, he said. so we got a lot to hold the congress accountable for, not doing things, not providing transparency, not shutting down the government to get after these memos. i mean, there are ways to go after, getting the memos. finally, finally. >> [inaudible] >> senator feinstein said after the bringing hearing, politico was saying she was unaware of reports that the cia was counting military age males as militants when they were killed by drone strikes. six months after this was reported by "the new york times." on may 29, 2012. six months. senator feinstein. chairs intelligence community unaware of all the reported in a new times on a major exposÉ on drone strikes. >> an area that is part of her official responsibility. >> are we supposed to be -- [inaudible] >> thank you for allowing us to exercise our first amendment. >> you'
. >> and i'd like to ask senator lindsey graham about this killing americans sitting at a cafÉ, which he seems to condone. senator lindsey graham was one of the torture memo proponents now is a proponent for the assassins known for killing now american citizens, he said. so we got a lot to hold the congress accountable for, not doing things, not providing transparency, not shutting down the government to get after these memos. i mean, there are ways to go after, getting the memos....
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the only people who are objecting are the two cranky old guys in the senate, lindsey graham and john mccain. [ laughter ] >> steve: all right. geraldo. >> clayton: we want our viewers to weigh in on that topic. plus this, much was made this week of senator rand paul, his big filibuster. he actually gave a speech. he want reading from a magazine or a phone book or anything. he gave a speech. he was citing all sorts of libertarian bloggers as it relates to these drone strikes in the united states' use of these drone strikes around the world and here at home. he wanted clarification on something very specific, which is does the american government have the right to launch a drone here in manhattan, new mexico, wherever, and target an american citizen who is a non-combatant and the white house responded. the attorney general eric holder said no. so the white house actually gave some movement on that. what did you make of this back and forth? >> well, first of all, i think that what senator rand paul did with that 13-hour filibuster was absolutely magnificent. i was so proud of him. he wa
the only people who are objecting are the two cranky old guys in the senate, lindsey graham and john mccain. [ laughter ] >> steve: all right. geraldo. >> clayton: we want our viewers to weigh in on that topic. plus this, much was made this week of senator rand paul, his big filibuster. he actually gave a speech. he want reading from a magazine or a phone book or anything. he gave a speech. he was citing all sorts of libertarian bloggers as it relates to these drone strikes in the...
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but some fellow republicans, including senators john mccain and lindsey graham are slamming rand's public protest and members of their own party have joined in. >> the country needs more senators who care about liberty. but if mr. paul wants to be taken seriously, he needs to do more than pull political stunts that fire up impressionable libertarian kids in their college dorms. he needs to know what he's talking about. >> to my republican colleagues, i don't remember any of you coming down here suggesting that president bush was going to kill anybody with a drone. yeah, i don't even remember the harshest critics of the -- of president bush on the democratic side. they had a drone program back then. so what is it? all of a sudden that this drone program has gotten every republican so spun up? to my party, i'm a bit disappointed that you no longer apparently think we're at war. >> "new york times" photographer caught this image yesterday of what must have been an interesting elevator ride for senators mccain and paul. >>> john brennan who's nomination to lead the cia was temporarily blocked
but some fellow republicans, including senators john mccain and lindsey graham are slamming rand's public protest and members of their own party have joined in. >> the country needs more senators who care about liberty. but if mr. paul wants to be taken seriously, he needs to do more than pull political stunts that fire up impressionable libertarian kids in their college dorms. he needs to know what he's talking about. >> to my republican colleagues, i don't remember any of you...
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lindsey graham had a response to that today. here it is. >> to my party, i'm a bit disappointed that you no longer apparently think we're at war. not senator paul. he's a man to himself. he has a view that i don't think is a republican view. i think is a legitimately held libertarian view. >> is this where the republican party is headed, a libertarian cam. and a traditional camp? i mean, the hypocrisy of, you know, a couple of these senators getting up, standing with rand paul on this. probably just to keep the filibuster going. but it just seems that they have really identified to the american people they've got an identity crisis, they don't even know where they stand on the use of military action if they've got the wrong president in there. >> look, certainly you have the libertarian camp and the national security camp for lack of a better word. rand paul versus mccain you're talking about. but look at now the immigration thing. some of them are coming out saying we need to change that. a lot of them are saying no, under no c
lindsey graham had a response to that today. here it is. >> to my party, i'm a bit disappointed that you no longer apparently think we're at war. not senator paul. he's a man to himself. he has a view that i don't think is a republican view. i think is a legitimately held libertarian view. >> is this where the republican party is headed, a libertarian cam. and a traditional camp? i mean, the hypocrisy of, you know, a couple of these senators getting up, standing with rand paul on...
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i'm offended by lindsey graham. they played politics, the republicans and democrats, with the trials of these men. it's wrong. they should be brought to trial. 254 men have been tried in federal court, and it's gone well. now they try to play politics with this, and we have been held up. we're in pretrial motions with khalid shaikh mohammed. let's get the trials going in new york city. all of the people who were affected that day could go see the trials. >> i think a lot of people would echo the sentiment. they don't want politics involved in this, but there are politics involved. lindsay graham very strong today. i'm sure other congressman and women will come out tomorrow saying similar stuff. what could happen politically? could this decision be overturned? >> i think that's unlikely. the way that the executive branch from the president on down from a policy perspective organized this operation, they organized it with the specific purpose of having this guy in federal court. it's a uniquely executive branch decisi
i'm offended by lindsey graham. they played politics, the republicans and democrats, with the trials of these men. it's wrong. they should be brought to trial. 254 men have been tried in federal court, and it's gone well. now they try to play politics with this, and we have been held up. we're in pretrial motions with khalid shaikh mohammed. let's get the trials going in new york city. all of the people who were affected that day could go see the trials. >> i think a lot of people would...
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you have the neocon people like lindsey graham and john mccain who are ready at the snap of the fingers to go to war. that's the first solution. let's go to war. they always have one ready. then you have the very conservative old pat buchanan breed, people like rand paul who are very suspicious of our power being used for any purpose besides basic national defense. >> yeah, right. that's the split in the republican party, and they're going to have to deal with that. the other thing he was driving at i think is, look, i personally, like a lot of democrats i guess, i have confidence -- i know that president obama thinks about the use of drones, and i know that he and -- i have confidence in him -- >> suppose cheney were president right now. >> exactly. >> right now. >> he's only going to be president for another 3 1/2 years. others are going to follow, and unless we kind of think about what sort of limits, if any, we want to put -- >> you remember cheney's speech about the shadow lands and the gray areas of the world and the hallways and the back halls. >> exactly. >> he talks like that.
you have the neocon people like lindsey graham and john mccain who are ready at the snap of the fingers to go to war. that's the first solution. let's go to war. they always have one ready. then you have the very conservative old pat buchanan breed, people like rand paul who are very suspicious of our power being used for any purpose besides basic national defense. >> yeah, right. that's the split in the republican party, and they're going to have to deal with that. the other thing he was...
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old guard is mccain, lindsey graham, mitch mcconnell. i got to say, guys, when you look at it, the republicans, conservatives who would you rather have going forward representing you? the new young bucks -- they got it going on. by the way, for the record, mr. mccain after all this came out and said he thought rand paul was wrong for doing what he did. scratching my head all day why don't you embrace the young guys instead of continueed infighting? >> kimberly: it's interesting how it is lined up with who is pro and con versus a display of democracy. so what do you think about it? young guns? young bucks? what does this happen on libertarian island? >> greg: i'm still thinking 12 hours without peeing. that is a leak the white house is happy about. the big story here is not about the old or the new guard in my opinion. it's turning president obama to dean wermer. he is the bad guy in the animal house franchise. it's a movie, actually. obama generally was the cape crusadeer for justice and ho now is perceived as petulant hypocrite. that is
old guard is mccain, lindsey graham, mitch mcconnell. i got to say, guys, when you look at it, the republicans, conservatives who would you rather have going forward representing you? the new young bucks -- they got it going on. by the way, for the record, mr. mccain after all this came out and said he thought rand paul was wrong for doing what he did. scratching my head all day why don't you embrace the young guys instead of continueed infighting? >> kimberly: it's interesting how it is...
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graham, they accused you of theaterics or political stunt i think senator mccain used. is this a fair debate and how do you respond to that? >> i think it's a good debate. i think they're on the wrong side of history. >> greta: do you mind they called it a stunt? >> i don't admire that kind of add homonym, but they've been arguing you can indefinitely detain a u.s. citizen, i asked senator mccain directly can you send a u.s. citizen to guantanamo bay without a trial forever? and his answer was yes, if i deem them to be a safety risk. problem is that's an accusation, if a government or a politician calls you an enemy combatant, is that enough to whisk you off to guantanamo bay or is that enough to have a drone strike on you? and see, both of these senators argue that america is part of the battlefield for the laws of war apply. well, the laws of war sometimes don't involve due process and i acknowledge that. if soldiers -- if the enemy is shooting at our soldiers, there is no due process involved with that, we shoot back to kill. there are no judges and juries, but ameri
graham, they accused you of theaterics or political stunt i think senator mccain used. is this a fair debate and how do you respond to that? >> i think it's a good debate. i think they're on the wrong side of history. >> greta: do you mind they called it a stunt? >> i don't admire that kind of add homonym, but they've been arguing you can indefinitely detain a u.s. citizen, i asked senator mccain directly can you send a u.s. citizen to guantanamo bay without a trial forever?...
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agreeing with lindsey graham kind of creeps me out. he told the truth right? >> as i said, democrats are -- progressives conservatives libertarians greens, you know, pretty much most americans think the idea of giving the executive branch unlimited carte blanche to kill people is a bad and dumb idea. neocons, lindsey graham is a neocon so bingo. >> john: these republicans who didn't complain when bush was doing it and now they complain when obama was doing it. rand paul and his dad had been consistent. thom hartmann, you have the smartest radio show. thank you for coming on with us tonight. >> thank you john. >> john: see you soon. arkansas passes an abortion law that's so restrictive, it will definitely get struck down by the supreme court unless it doesn't. that's coming up. [ male announcer ] it's red lobster's lobsterfest our largest selection of lobster entrees like lobster lover's dream or new grilled lobster and lobster tacos. come in now and sea food differently. visit redlobster.com now for an exclusive $10 coupon on two lobsterfest entrees. >> john:
agreeing with lindsey graham kind of creeps me out. he told the truth right? >> as i said, democrats are -- progressives conservatives libertarians greens, you know, pretty much most americans think the idea of giving the executive branch unlimited carte blanche to kill people is a bad and dumb idea. neocons, lindsey graham is a neocon so bingo. >> john: these republicans who didn't complain when bush was doing it and now they complain when obama was doing it. rand paul and his dad...
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let's hear a little more of senator lindsey graham. >> he's a man to himself. you got to remember, senator paul was the one senator who voted against a resolution that said the policy of the united states will not be to contain a nuclear capable iran. >> david, is this a sign of old gop versus newer guard of the gop? >> no. actually it's not. there's always been a split on the conservative movement within the republican party between interventionist republicans, neocons, and those who are isolationists. whether it's patrick buchanan or rand paul and others, some of whom have raised fourth amendment issues when it comes to things domestically. and this -- we've just never had these guys get the platform the way rand paul has seized it. and i think it makes john mccain and lindsey graham quite nervous because rand paul is, indeed, appealing to some tea party types, libertarian types, noninterventionist conservatives, as well as the wacky black helicopter types who fueled the militia movement back in the '90s, and they want to try to keep him in check i think for
let's hear a little more of senator lindsey graham. >> he's a man to himself. you got to remember, senator paul was the one senator who voted against a resolution that said the policy of the united states will not be to contain a nuclear capable iran. >> david, is this a sign of old gop versus newer guard of the gop? >> no. actually it's not. there's always been a split on the conservative movement within the republican party between interventionist republicans, neocons, and...
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john mccain and lindsey graham say he's ridiculous for what he did yesterday. there seems to be an emerging split among these republicans in the senate. what do you make of this? >> i think van also slipped in a reference to the devil in there too, but we can ignore that for a moment. you know, wolf, it's true. there is a split in the republican party, there's a split in the democratic party. senator diane finestein, the californian democratic was one of the most vociferous objectors to the president's drone program. i support a vigorous approach abroad, using drones to kill terrorists. i draw the line, like rand paul does, at home when it comes to defending the american people, we do not use the military on american soil, particularly against americans. and so i thought what rand paul did was a great wake-up bell for the nation, to focus a spotlight on a problem that's something we should talk about. and one of the worst mistakes we made in the bush administration was after september 11th, we were so worried about preventing next attack, we did everything thro
john mccain and lindsey graham say he's ridiculous for what he did yesterday. there seems to be an emerging split among these republicans in the senate. what do you make of this? >> i think van also slipped in a reference to the devil in there too, but we can ignore that for a moment. you know, wolf, it's true. there is a split in the republican party, there's a split in the democratic party. senator diane finestein, the californian democratic was one of the most vociferous objectors to...
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john mccain and lindsey graham. john mccain not much of a constituency in the republican party and graham worrying about a primary in 2014. rand paul showed that the republican party is coming around to paulism and he's a lot craftier than his father to bringing it around. >> to toure's point, that's problematic for the party because the rhetoric is still the old 2010 tea party makers and takers, i'm randism and damaging to the brand and so far out there. supports a complete ban of abortion and to the extent to embrace that, i don't think that's a positive development to the party. >> that's mane striming it. >> graham is promoting a fear of the american government, especially the obama-led, fear of american government and hear a lot from the savages and these people. that's just not -- >> then let -- if the fear is out there, let the administration address it and holder started to do that today. that's a positive letter. >> all right. >>> while they were all talk, the president and other republicans were fine dinin
john mccain and lindsey graham. john mccain not much of a constituency in the republican party and graham worrying about a primary in 2014. rand paul showed that the republican party is coming around to paulism and he's a lot craftier than his father to bringing it around. >> to toure's point, that's problematic for the party because the rhetoric is still the old 2010 tea party makers and takers, i'm randism and damaging to the brand and so far out there. supports a complete ban of...
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graham camp than the rand paul camp. however, it was striking to a lot of people that the bright stars of the republican party like florida senator marco rubio and texas senator ted cruz joined rand paul in the filibuster against the obama administration's drone poll sane i think that's what really fired up folks like mccain and graham seeing some of the young stars of the republican party, the young tea party stars going on a tangent regarding national security and foreign policy and the republican party definitely isn't known for. >> let's play what rand paul -- just gave an interview this morning to glenn beck on his radio show. here's a little bit of what rand paul said regarding his critics. let's play it. >> government were comprised of angels we wouldn't need rules and so i try to make it less about president obama and more about what if some day we elect someone who wouldn't -- who would abuse this power? >> senator, there's been some criticism of your filibuster last night including from apparently lindsey graha
graham camp than the rand paul camp. however, it was striking to a lot of people that the bright stars of the republican party like florida senator marco rubio and texas senator ted cruz joined rand paul in the filibuster against the obama administration's drone poll sane i think that's what really fired up folks like mccain and graham seeing some of the young stars of the republican party, the young tea party stars going on a tangent regarding national security and foreign policy and the...
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now, you see today that republicans like lindsey graham and john mccain are making rand paul pay the price for what happened. >> megyn: they are not happy at all. they think his behavior was offensive and insulting and raising an issue they don't think is a real one and demeans the presidency by suggesting that he would at random kill americans sitting in a cafe. >> and i might submit that that's the reason rand paul was where he was last night and why senator graham was where he was last night dining with the president. you don't get access, don't get influence, don't get to be part of the discussion behind closed doors in washington d.c. making a stink, being the skunk at the garden party, like rand paul did. however, rand paul can count this on his side. the american people didn't like washington and didn't like cut out of the process that this new brand of populous libertarian style of populace in the republican party may have currency and may make him a contending for 2016. >> megyn: you look out the window behind you and literally we're expecting to see the pigs fly. what he di
now, you see today that republicans like lindsey graham and john mccain are making rand paul pay the price for what happened. >> megyn: they are not happy at all. they think his behavior was offensive and insulting and raising an issue they don't think is a real one and demeans the presidency by suggesting that he would at random kill americans sitting in a cafe. >> and i might submit that that's the reason rand paul was where he was last night and why senator graham was where he...
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although lindsey graham is also up for re-election. it is about trying to put a patchwork together. to not keep repeating the same issues. as richard point the out, you can't make him a one-term president anymore, so put that playbook away. start where we are now. positions people held over the last several years, some of it's relevant, some it not as much. you sort of have to be in the moment, and there is an urgency about trying to get a long-term deal. i think they've taken so many swings that the and failed, people are approaching it with a different attitude. at least some of the group that was a part of this last night. giving them all credit for sitting down, the president did make this happen. they went and attended. we heard from speaker boehner today about the ryan lunch saying he is not taking any message from me. the speaker thoroughly appreciates the fact that the president is talking to members, not just going through leadership. you know, we can make this a data point of bipart sfwlanship in what will be a long set of negotiations. >> we will take as many data points
although lindsey graham is also up for re-election. it is about trying to put a patchwork together. to not keep repeating the same issues. as richard point the out, you can't make him a one-term president anymore, so put that playbook away. start where we are now. positions people held over the last several years, some of it's relevant, some it not as much. you sort of have to be in the moment, and there is an urgency about trying to get a long-term deal. i think they've taken so many swings...